The Bible

[Young_Ghost]

This is bound to come up so...

the question is do you or do you not believe what is written?





personally, wether or not there is a God, i do not believe the Bible... for simple reasons...

1. throughout history, the bible has translated, written, and rewritten... i seriously doubt that everything is word for word correct, and if you look at things like the Christian crusades, whose to say that those who have rewritten it have not changed it so that it says what they want it to?

2. it is supposed to be the "word of God" , but it was written by men, and life has taught me not to trust the word of men... maybe they had there own intentions in writing it...

3. Religion, and Disputes over it, are often fought about different interpretations of the words... this goes along with the translating... if a person, even today, cannot be sure of the meanings, who says the translators did?

4. Though i do not think that everything in it is for ME to personally understand, MOST of it does not make sense to me...





just my opinion... cant wait to here others... :D

[Red Tha Baron]

1. throughout history, the bible has translated, written, and rewritten... i seriously doubt that everything is word for word correct, and if you look at things like the Christian crusades, whose to say that those who have rewritten it have not changed it so that it says what they want it to?
I Doubt The Words Of The Bible Have Been Tainted Through Translation. Sure Some Words Arent The Same Due To The Differences In Languages, But That Doesnt Mean Its Not Correct. & I Dont Think They Coulda Done A Coverup Of The Crusades..


2. it is supposed to be the "word of God" , but it was written by men, and life has taught me not to trust the word of men... maybe they had there own intentions in writing it...
It Was Written By Men, But We Been Told That They Were Inspired By The Hand Of God. God Gave Them The Truth To Be Written & They Interpreted It. & I Also Dont Think The Authors Of The Books Of The Bible Had Underhanded Intentions.


3. Religion, and Disputes over it, are often fought about different interpretations of the words... this goes along with the translating... if a person, even today, cannot be sure of the meanings, who says the translators did?
We Regular Joes & They Were Professional Translators...LOL, Iono


4. Though i do not think that everything in it is for ME to personally understand, MOST of it does not make sense to me...
You Have To Take Classes Or Read Books Or Listen To Scholars To Correctly Interpret The Meaning Of The Bible. But Basically U Should Jus Be Nice To Others.

[makewayforenkay]

actually the words have been tainted, when jesus sais i will be with you until the end of the world, it was a mistranslation, really it was aeon, an aeon translated is an age, so he sais i'll be with you until the end of the age, and an age is approxamately 2150 years, which could really change things alot. we're in the age of pisce's which is why there's so many references to fish. thats just one example

[Red Tha Baron]

actually the words have been tainted, when jesus sais i will be with you until the end of the world, it was a mistranslation, really it was aeon, an aeon translated is an age, so he sais i'll be with you until the end of the age, and an age is approxamately 2150 years, which could really change things alot. we're in the age of pisce's which is why there's so many references to fish. thats just one example

Where Did U Hear This?

[makewayforenkay]

a movie thats all about it. u want me to link u to it??

[Red Tha Baron]

Hook Me Up Dude

[makewayforenkay]

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

the 1st half hour is about it, the next half hour is about the 9/11 theory, and then the next is about money, i never watched it enough to get past the money part

[SiiNiDE]

I've always considered myself a good Christian, but my other great passion (Pokemon) is a constant source of inner conflict in my life. I live my life by the word of the Holy Bible, and take everything within as the ultimate truth, but how can I continue to believe in creationism when my pokedex defies it with its theories of evolution?

[mc_lite]

^^ LMFAO ^^ *Smokes a blunt to that..*

[Anesthetic]

I've always considered myself a good Christian, but my other great passion (Pokemon) is a constant source of inner conflict in my life. I live my life by the word of the Holy Bible, and take everything within as the ultimate truth, but how can I continue to believe in creationism when my pokedex defies it with its theories of evolution?

LOOOOOOLLLLLLL. POST OF THE WEEK.. ROFL...!

[phatfarm411]

first of all.. as myself being with no one religion.. because i disagree wit things from all sides of the arguments.. i agree wit some of wat the bible says.. and probably most of it.. but like enkay and ghost pointed out.. some things probably have been tainted with.. and one word changing in a sentence could change the whole meaning of dat one line.. the smallest things can make the biggest difference.. i mean even myself i read the king james bible.. which is the oldest bible u could probably find nowadays.. at least the copy i have.. is from like the 1600's.. its been pasted down in mah grandmas family.. but yes interpretations very well could have changed over the years

[phatfarm411]

another thing too.. is in the newer bibles.. some of the books have been taken out.. like the one im writing from in the open mic section wit mah pieces
the book of Josue for example.. isnt known by many cuz its not in the new testamats.. so who knows wat else is bein filter'd out in the years to come

[admin]

Martin Luther took many books out of the Catholic canon during the Reformation.

[SiiNiDE]

All jokes aside, with all seriousness, in-order to understand why books are taken out/added in different 'bibles' you have to study a great deal of theology. Part of my post was true, though. I DO go to church. I DO study The Bible, and I am ad devoted Christian. I see many people tend to put false hope in half-truths of different books of The Bible, or misinterpretations.

[mattELITEemcee]

now the crusades are only a name givin.

think about this ok....your living in the year 300bc and your country is invaded all the time..are you gonna stand there and let it happen??? NO ofcourse not, you are gonna band togther and fight..and ofcourse in those times and the reality is people are going to die.
some happened to be christians yes, would it make a difference if it was a pope....plus the Blood Convenet with God in those times were Burned Offerings and Animal Sacrifices for feasts, but when Christ was to come he ended all the Offerings, he was the Ultimate offering for our sins to be forgiven and forgotten by God himself, in his Grand Plan eversince Satan Decieved Humans in The Garden, the Skins they were clothed with were of Anmals and Blood of the Skins were the first Convenet with God....startin to get me now.

now none of the Word of the Bible have been changed or translated in a false array, the bible has been translated in other languages for other countries not of english and hebrew and all that, you get one bible and another and it has a word then look and says another word, yes that is just another Thesusoric word for it, like Youth Bibles all the same just a 13 year old could not understand Archaic word like, ''Thee Thy Thou Adoni''..so it is ''ME, MY, I, LORD'', get me.

[UnIQuE_SEEK]

ok i see alot of people here have no intension on finding truthes,i mean u will disone the bible as truth,which has been around for over 2thousand years,but you will believe a movie full of conspiracy theories??

i just dont understand some people,what good is it if you gain the whole world but loose your soul in the process,what goodis knowlage with out wisdom to understand it,

[mattELITEemcee]

thats it, as it says in Corinthians 2-6:16, look it up everyone, we recieved gods wisdom through the Holy Spirit, not recieved the wisdom of the world.

[mc_lite]

Unique.. You make it sound as if the Bible was the only text ever written. Wisdom can be found in THOUSANDS of other texts.. Philosophers, historians, prophets.. It's like you're saying that if you have any beliefs other than those of a Christian, your knowledge lacks a foundation of wisdom??? SMH.

[CAZMUNDI_CZA]

i believe in the bible
alot of the rules in the old testament had a purpose behind them

like not f'ing your sister, murder is bad mmmmkay; all had to do with society building.

other rules and ideas had to do with setting God's people apart from the pagans so that they could form a separate group identity.

personally i see too much rationality bounding the chaotic not to believe in God as a concept and reality


i don't believe in a hello kitty type God more a mafia boss

[CAZMUNDI_CZA]

i believe in the bible
alot of the rules in the old testament had a purpose behind them

like not f'ing your sister, murder is bad mmmmkay; all had to do with society building.

other rules and ideas had to do with setting God's people apart from the pagans so that they could form a separate group identity.

personally i see too much rationality bounding the chaotic not to believe in God as a concept and reality


i don't believe in a hello kitty type God more a mafia boss


wisdom comes from three places
1. it was written and absorbed or innately sensed
(common knowledge in a sense)

2. it was experienced (older informing the younger)

3. it comes from recognizing a mistake and doing better after it

[Logikal]

ok i see alot of people here have no intension on finding truthes,i mean u will disone the bible as truth,which has been around for over 2thousand years,but you will believe a movie full of conspiracy theories??

True as Hell! I watched ZeitGeist at the urging of a friend and I found many blatant pieces of misinformation in it that were obviously knowingly used to solidify your belief in the plot. (I am a devout skeptic and I tend to do research on everything that I don't know about) I won't list them, but most of them turn up in Parts 2 and 3. Part 1 which is about the Christian religion is the part where I found the least misinformation, but much of it I already knew.

Yes, Jesus' birthday was "picked" as December 25th because there was already a popular Roman celebration for the Sun god Mythra. The Christian religion adopted very many things from previous religions and folklore. Almost the entire Christmas celebration is adopted practices of various other religions including the Christmas tree and mistletoe. (I can back up all claims with links to reputable sources if you choose not to believe me)

But as for the Bible, it is no different from the practices of the religion except that the Bible adopted its information before the Romans canonized it. Case in point, the story of the flood. Christians are all taught that Noah built an ark to survive from a worldwide flood and somehow this is a Christian story. Actually the story of the flood had been around for 2000 years prior to the coming of Jesus. It is told in the epic of Gilgamesh, the king of Uruk around 2700 b.c. Except the plot has slight differences. The man's name is Utnapishtim. He is told by a lesser god to build the boat and the greater god gets pissed when he finds out someone survived. He is made immortal and is sent to live at a place across the ocean. But there are many similarities as well such as the coupes of animals, the birds let loose to find land, and the boat landing on a mountain, etc.

This story is not the only one that was taken from another story. The birth of Moses was also reformatted to fit into the text, but that might have been done by the Jewish instead of the Christians. I am not sure.

The Bible is a bunch of stories. Religion is the system of beliefs and beliefs aren't taught in books. They just happen. They come to you. If you have to read something to believe it then you set yourself up to believe anything you read.

[kolya]

1. throughout history, the bible has translated, written, and rewritten... i seriously doubt that everything is word for word correct, and if you look at things like the Christian crusades, whose to say that those who have rewritten it have not changed it so that it says what they want it to?[/quote]
I Doubt The Words Of The Bible Have Been Tainted Through Translation. Sure Some Words Arent The Same Due To The Differences In Languages, But That Doesnt Mean Its Not Correct. & I Dont Think They Coulda Done A Coverup Of The Crusades..

-more so than translation, the time from Jesus to the Gospels and cultural differences between now and then contribute more to 'taint' than anything else. For example, in the earliest, most reliable Gospel (Mark), Jesus never actually claims to be God; 'Son of God' actually meant a good follower of Judaism, as Judaism was split up among contentious factions at the time, and throughout all history.


2. it is supposed to be the "word of God" , but it was written by men, and life has taught me not to trust the word of men... maybe they had there own intentions in writing it...
It Was Written By Men, But We Been Told That They Were Inspired By The Hand Of God. God Gave Them The Truth To Be Written & They Interpreted It. & I Also Dont Think The Authors Of The Books Of The Bible Had Underhanded Intentions.

"But we have been told"........by men.
The intentions cannot be said to be underhanded, but there were nod oubt alterior motives in the creation of the Bible. For example, Matthew and John attempted to get Jewish followers, while Luke attempted to get Gentile followrrs. The intended audience actually changes much of the words themselves.


3. Religion, and Disputes over it, are often fought about different interpretations of the words... this goes along with the translating... if a person, even today, cannot be sure of the meanings, who says the translators did?
We Regular Joes & They Were Professional Translators...LOL, Iono


4. Though i do not think that everything in it is for ME to personally understand, MOST of it does not make sense to me...
You Have To Take Classes Or Read Books Or Listen To Scholars To Correctly Interpret The Meaning Of The Bible. But Basically U Should Jus Be Nice To Others.[/quote]

the fact is that 'be nice to others' is not the core message of the bible. Throughout the Bible (including the NT, because Jesus refused to dissavow the OT), the law of Moses is undeniable. This law includes stoning gay people and adulterers, not wearing clothing of more than one fabric (polyester), and killing every man, woman, and child in populous villages for no reason other than that the crops had not produced as much produce as last year (and thus God must be mad with us, right?)


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[kolya]

Martin Luther took many books out of the Catholic canon during the Reformation.

And 'Catholics' held Councils to decide which Books got in and which were out. Often times the reasons were political.


Don't pin it all on martin.

[kolya]

Oh, and btw, that Zeitgeist movie is terribly researched. The basically made up stuff if they wanted to prove a point. This applies especially to the Christianity bit(as Logikal said) and the 9/11 part(which is misleading at best). And the 'new world order' it consistently rails against is largely conjecture, same with the international monetary fund theories.



terrible film.

[MON ARK]

As a Christian, many have learnt that the Bible aka God's Word is revealed through his Spirit communicating to us.

Let me explain further..

[surprise]

bottomline:

those that have bought into the "mainstream" (hundreds of denominations) are ALL FOOLED.

this is why there is fracture among christians, war over the bible, and contradictions in the teachings.

read the words for yourself, dont trust ANY institution to dumb it down for you. its no wonder there are atheists, the shit they teach is pure BULLSHIT. but the religion itself, is not.

for example, i bet every one of you here who believes in the bible thinks that it says that Adam and Eve were the first people. If you can find where it says that, ill pay you $100 right now. This is BS and the institution is LYING to YOU. IT NEVER SAYS THAT. Go read the words yourself. God created man on the 5th or 6th day. THEN WAY AFTER THE 7th DAY, the LORD God created Adam and Eve, and eventually banished them and Cain to live among the first created humans. Go read it. You've been lied too.

PLUS, God created man and instructed him to REPLENISH the earth (replenish means to do something over again).

Cast off your fucking churches and elevate. ITS VERY REAL, more real than some flighty spirit guy with a beard. like i said, NO WONDER there are atheists, they see right through the lies and then get switched off. BY DESIGN. evil is very real too and reigns over the earth, so of course man's institutions will become corrupted. the bible NEVER EVER authorizes the creation of a church, or a standard of worship. this came about in ancient Rome in a formulated attempt to politicize a religion for societal control.

oh and translations do cause a problem, they mostly try to edit out the truth about our origins for some creepy reason (well its not creepy, it tells you, its the ruler of the world, the devil). But the originals are all still there and can be researched.

so if you think a printed book and a man made building with a steeple on it cannot be corrupted then your lying to yourself, and youve also fallen victim to the blindness that they have instilled into you unknowingly. Your pastor is fooled too, his soul is pure but his mind has been deceived by 2 thousand years of church doctrine.