A Lack of Understanding

[MANE]

This is a response to the "Athiests" thread. I ended up writing so in depth that I figured it deserves its own thread. Any responses are apreciated.



When one says they don't believe in God, they say this because they don't understand who God is. Humans are the conscious level of the universe, and therefore have a choice between good and evil. God is a reflection of this goodness, and through mind body and soul God is made present. Or in other words, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Before accepting such a thought process, one must open their hearts and let this goodness fill their mind body and soul. Faith is where the journey begins. By journey, I am speaking of the relationship with God faith shines light on. It is a constant trek through life, and when the choice between good and evil is made present, one's awareness of their relationship with God will reflect on their decision.

Now, one might argue that it is a given to choose good over evil, and that God is not essential to their decision. Yes, this is true. Since we are the conscious level of the universe, it is our responsibility to choose good. Although, we are susceptible to things such as temptation, and this susceptibility casts a shadow over the path of goodness we should strive for. This is where the relationship with God plays a role. God is a guide, and a mentor. The goodness of God shines light on the path.

It is difficult to solely rely on this level of faith, and this is where scripture plays a role. Humans are a very physical part of the universe, and naturally require a physical source of guidance. Hence, the Bible was written.

[phatfarm411]

i applaud you.. and agree with wat you say
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and as its very well known god's face has never been shown.. and mah mother always told me it was because god is beyond our comprehension.. the human mind cant depict wat god looks like.. its to far past our analysis
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and because of this.. doesnt mean that god isnt their,, its jus dat if we as humans could understand how god thinks and interprets it might not be such a good thing.. cuz look at how much harm humans have done thinking their doing the right thing

[Gemcee]

I appreciate what you wrote. It is very well thought out....but here are my thoughts.

But then I disagree with the fact that you think I do not understand who he may be.

As someone who was baptized, went to Catholic school and lived with nuns for my 8th year in life...I still find it hard to be convinced that there is a God.

Now...don't get me wrong--I want there to be a God. I so badly want everyone to believe in the same power because ..well..wouldn't that solve everything. The fact that the Bible was written...is not proof enough for me. I have read it many times and am convinced it is just another story--


as I was growing up I was plagued by bad experiences...I admit--it has evened out a little but I always thought "I do so much good, how can all this bad stuff keep happening to me"....and as I grew up..i sorta follow a more Buddhist path....and it seems to work for me.

I do good because I want to. Not because I have a fear of God...or am afraid I won't go to heaven....and praying and going to church on sundays and wearing scapulars and devoting 20 minutes a day to a rosary....is not gonna help me acheive what I want to. Only I can acheive that success and goodness. i cannot pray to God every night and wish for money or good health or for good things to come to me. that is simply not what God is meant for---some people have a clouded view of what he is--if he is.

all comes down to A BELIEF...we all need to believe in something higher than us....if I choose to believe differently...simply let me be. so many feel that they must lay their opinions down---If you are Scientoloigist, you are believing in the wrong god, if you believe in Allah, you beleive in the bad god---its all so silly. Individuals need individual belief systems--the things that work for them.

The goodness of MYSELF shines light on my path....do good for me and mine...not for God.

[MANE]

Here's a few bars from an older song of mine,

"A light shines through a prism, And reflects upon the earth,
Different hues spark ism's, religions, But are we cursed?
With our all mighty wisdom...Now look at what it's worth,
Pierced the essence existing, The reverse of birth dispersed,
Kids raised to believe the other religion is a fraud,
When that light which reflected is the core essence of God,
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In other words, I am saying that the goodness of God is a translation of the same goodness that another religion is based. Do not let one religious path restrict your journey. The light that goodness shines on one's path is reflected in many different ways.

The beauty of being the conscious level of the universe is choice, and it isn't restricted to good or bad. On one's path, light is light no matter the angle it is shone.


"praying and going to church on sundays and wearing scapulars and devoting 20 minutes a day to a rosary....is not gonna help me acheive what I want to. Only I can acheive that success and goodness."

That's one way to look at it. Again, I am going to capitalize on that fact that we as humans are enabled to choice. Choice is a decision between multiple elements presented to a person. Now take that definition and apply it to your thoughts. What the mind can concieve, it can achieve. The universe is in constant interaction with your thoughts, and will respond to them (The popular term for this is the "Law of Attraction"). (lol excuse me for gettin a little off track there)

Now, where does God play a role in one's personal success? Going to church was never required to find goodness, that is a personal choice. Your personal success in itself is paralell to the goodness of God, and on the path of reaching goals, God is a guide, and a mentor.

[aMERiKaZ NiGHTMaRE]

I Understand Your Realtion To God As Goodness... But In All Permitted Idea's, That Realtes God To Guilt, Because It Is Either Guilt Or Fear Of Guilt, That We Do The Right Thing... We Do The "Right" Thing... But The "Right" Thing, Is Simply An Accepted View, Caressed By A Majority... Lets Be Realistic Here, Not Conservative... I Dont Doubt That There Is A Higher Power, I Just Doubt That It Is Our Interpretation... I Was Wrong In My Other Thread Obviously, But That Was Deliberate, For Doubt Is The Essence Of Belief, If You Did Not Doubt That I Was Right, Regardless Of My Rightness, You Would Be Incapable Of Making That Descision To Believe... Which Is Why The Power Of The Bible And The Word Of Christianity, Can Compell People To Believe, Because It Is Shadowed In Doubt... Now Logically Thinking, Something Surrounded In So Much Doubt, Could Not Possibly Have Truthful Grounds Now Could It...

[MANE]

Lets Be Realistic Here, Not Conservative... I Dont Doubt That There Is A Higher Power, I Just Doubt That It Is Our Interpretation...

For a starter, my views are realistic. Maybe it's the fact I have a heavy influence of quantum physics that creates your assumptions of "reality". Reality for a person is limited to what they have experienced, ergo I suggest you do some more research before making such statements.

Doubt Is The Essence Of Belief

Your doubt is not what compels my belief, for it is in your doubt of the path I have chosen that compels me to take another step towards a higher level of awareness. In turn, what I experience on this path is what compels my belief.

[aMERiKaZ NiGHTMaRE]

I Mentioned Reality? :shock:

I Swear I Didn't :lol:

[MANE]

^^What you propose as realistic is tied with your reality